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Following a variety of the H49 struck at the Vienna Mint.

i classified it as H49a_1_J5.

Ciao Juan!

Eccellente - grazie mille!

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Another piece struck at the Vienna Mint, it is the H50b.

It has the typical word "iustitia" long only 14 mm. The central feather longer in the left wing of the Eagle and the typical closed diadem on the head of Maria Theresia.

Take a look .....

and the last one for today.

Again a piece from Vienna, again a H50b (holed ..... sigh, sigh) but not too damaged!

I classified as a variety H50b_J1.

HI I am new to this forum. But have been collecting MTTs for 5 years.

Recently I visited the UK to conduct research on the UK Minting of the coin. Some of what I found out:

The reason for the 1-2-1 Tail feather formation is as follows:

The tooling was developed by taking an early 20th century Vienna mint coin. an electrotype was made from that coin and then a plaster model. The coin used to make the electrotype still exists; it is slightly worn and the middle tail feather of the "3" is very hard to see. On the electrotype it is non-existent as it is on the plaster model.

There may be a problem with the 1949 Birmingham mint attribution.
According to the records I reviewed there is no record of dies being supplied to any firm or other mint ( other than the two Indian Mints) I found in a Foreign office file titled "Discontinuance of the Maria Theresa Taler" A preparatory brief for a November 1961 meeting, to discuss Austria's request that the UK stop producing the coin, contains a specific paragraph referring to the Birmingham mint makes it clear there is no record of Dies being supplied to Birmingham or any other firm. My understanding is Stokes gained the information about the use of the London Mint dies from Samuel Montagu and co. By way of background to this In 1938 Johnson and Matthey asked the Royal mint to supply dies to them so that they could have MTTs produced at another mint. The Royal mint refused. The Royal Mint did enter into discussions with the Royal Canadian Mint(1937) in which it was proposed the dies would be supplied from London. The proposed agreement included fees paid to the London mint for the dies and a canneruling machine(for the edge). The MTTs produced would be supplied back to the London mint for distribution to British Silver firms. The RCM decided not to produce the coins.

Hi Austrokiwi,

welcom and thank you for the information.

Yours
Klosterschüler

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Hafner 12 is an IC - FA variant dated to 1781 -1785. I have had an example for some time and the F of the Mint signature intrigues me. It looks like it has been struck over the letter C. Could that be correct?

Hello Austrokiwi,

Thanks for the message. I'm Juan from Italy. We just talk about MTT through some E-mail.

Do you remember?

Very interesting explanation on the British Mint!

Referring the ICFA H12 you're showing, yes you're right, the "F" seems to have been over-struck on a "C" but there are not Mint Masters with a "C" in the signature, or not?

PSIK - AHBS - AHGS - AHSG - SKPD - TSIF - and after?

And if the "C" would be instead a "G" of AHGS?

A mistery .....!

Please, about mistery, there is another one ..... take a look to this coin and you'll see it is the only one (seen by me at the moment) which has a double point between BO and REG on the Bust Side.

Have you never seen something before today?

Hi 1780

Yes I remember...... and I think you might have been the one who out bid me on the Birmingham mint copper strike. The F over C possibility is on a Vienna mint coin IC-FA I think the engraver (if I am correct in how the letters were added) used the C punch of the IC by mistake.

The C on that coin is broken on the lower curve and using the Microscope camera It seems the broken part of the C lines up with what ever is under the F. It could just be wishful thinking on my part.

I am intrigued with your Bombay mint coin in the gallery. How was it confirmed to you as a Bombay mint? I ask as I am very suspicious about how to identify the Bombay and Calcutta mints coins( we talked about this in emails). There was a gold strike from Bombay. It was a special order for King Farouk ( it is listed in the Auction catalogue when the collection was sold)...In the August or September Numismatist there will be a letter of mine trying to locate that gold piece. I would like to get high grade photographs of it so as to finally confirm the identification features of the coin.


I am also trying to track down the rumour that Russia produced the coin. So far I have managed to date the rumour to 1965......apparently Fakes were found in Vienna that were of very high quality but only weighed 24 grams. The suggestion is Austrian investigators tracked the fakes back to Russia.... The Russians denied it but at the same time said it was legal for them to produce the MTT. As yet it is just a rumour and finding some substantial evidence would be most exciting.